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Overall, good points. But I wish you would acknowledge what's so wrong with this kol koreh.

"Because a Yeshiva is a BM, a place of learning full-time - not getting involved in the idea of outlets etc."

There are two ways to critique this:

1. Any chacham recognizes the application of ביטולה זו היא קיומה. Outlets are essential to prevent burnout and to maintain a healthy life balance among many other things. Denying the needs of bachurim and their families for outlets is blind to reality and the thought that somehow a BM ought to be blind to reality and impose a way of life that is purely aspirational and not realistic is actually a surefire way to undermine their success actually living according to the Torah, including learning to be a healthy parent and husband who can raise a family according to the derech hatorah, which - I hope we agree - is FAR more fundamental than a little more super-advanced lomdus.

2. More importantly, there is a distinction all these posts have implicitly acknowledged between an absolutist and ask encompassing vision of right and wrong coming from the top down - even for the limited Klal it may be addressed to - and guidance that individuals can use to apply to their own situations and families. This kol koreh to me, with all due respect to those who signed it, is a classic failure in chinuch. It should have raised the concerns ("grave concerns" is too severe, leaving no room for individual application) that people should be careful with it, even very careful, and that while some parents may find it appropriate for some or all their children, it should not be accepted as purely kosher and that people should consult their rabbanim for more guidance. Also, this will be a bombshell that cannot work for too many people and will only alienate them from the roshei yeshiva who simply set standards too high for their whole Klal to allow for any individualism. This kind of kol koreh - even for it's intended audience - is much responsible for the problem as anything and, in my view, cannot be explained away.

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I don't get why anyone would think that there isn't room for Klal work today.

I think there is more room for Klal work than any time in the last 60 odd years. I feel like our community is standing at a crossroads in many ways as it shifts from a tiny minority to transitioning to a majority colture (in Israel and even in NY and NJ) and many major Klal issues will need to be tackled (the shiduch crisis and parnasa (housin/tuition) crisis are 2 obvious examples.

I think the truth is that we have been conditioned (for a a good reason, perhaps,but that s its own discussion) NOT to take our own initiative. Yet, if you look at those who did much for Klal Yisroel postwar it was very much their own drive and initiative pushing them.

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